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  Jehovah in the New Testament (New NWT bible )

  by jhine in

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  i have just seen in the flesh , or paper , the new nwt .

  my witness friends were delighted with it showing me all the new features like the glossary of terms and explanations of the hows and whys .

  i did ask about actual content , acting daft not letting on that i knew anything about it .

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  The tetragrammaton was god's old covenant name only, for his covenant people the Israelites. "He causes to become," as a loose meaning of YHWH , was fulfilled in Christ. God was now the father of all national groups, not just the Israelites. Hence why Jesus never once addressed his heavenly father in prayer as YHWH, instead mostly addressing him as father, and hence why the name was deliberately left out of the NT.

  And of course not forgetting that the apostle Paul was the apostle to the nations, not Jews. The Hebrew characters YHWH or some derivation thereof appearing amongst Paul's Greek epistles to all those Greek speaking pagan converts would mean absolutely nothing to them. Ever notice that Paul in his famous speech at the Areopagus (Acts 17) never once refer to the one true God as YHWH?
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  Where do we go when we die?

  by bsand20 in

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  my best friend of 14 years and maid of honor passed away 2 months ago at age 32 after battling breast cancer for 6 years.

  i haven't been the same since for many reasons.. as a jw kid i believed 144,000 chosen went to heaven, the good people would be resurrected including those who didn't have a chance to hear about jehovah, and the rest, which were of other religions and bad people, died and would cease to exist.

  again, because i was a kid when i left, i never really understood the jw position on death and why they came to their conclusion.

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  The bad news is, we are just like the animals and return to dust when we die, forever. But the good news is that the unlocking of the DNA code and leading edge research and breakthrough's in human genome longevity has pretty much already shown that the human lifespan can be double or even tripled one day. In fact, I've always held the view that the human genetic potential, in many hundreds or thousands of years to come, will one day be fully realised so that a typical human lifespan will one day be closer to 1,000 years rather than 100. It's no coincidence the Bible is full of genealogy claiming people lived for hundreds of years in the ancient past. So there is no hope for eternal life, but there is real hope for human longevity to be far, far longer than it is now, although, sadly, not in ours or our grandchildren's life-times.
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  I am on the edge of a freak out ..... I think???

  by DATA-DOG in

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  so the rc really sucked, but i made it through.

  the propaganda was mind blowing.

  i don't know if the crap will be available on the official website or not, but hopefully it gets leaked somehow.

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  Just relax, stop thinking about it, do something else non-JW. You're a good man trying to be a good father and husband and provider. Don't let this brainwashing, doomsday, money-grabbing and soul-sapping vampire cult get you down. Stay calm, ride out your wife's silly, superstitious emotional rants, and be the pillar. Take your family to a movie or outing, just gently reintegrate into normal human, family life, take a breath and let a few days go by. And give lots of love and hugs.
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  Expect more Crazy as JW.ORG trims the fat and fills the coffers.

  by donuthole in

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  when rutherford assumed the presidency of the watchtower society he instituted series of sweeping changes to the teachings and practices of the bible students.

  some of these changes were at complete odds with what had been taught previously.

  a key example was the elevation of the watchtower society as "god's visible organization on earth".

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  Well, I meant rebranding in terms of changing their name. They will never dump Jehovah's Witnesses as their name, as some seemed\\ to be suggesting. But they certainly do seem to be shifting the marketing emphasis from Watchtower to JW.org, no doubt about that.
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  WT Doctrine, Population rather than Generation

  by VM44 in

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  the watchtower has forced a rather strange interpretation of the word "generation" in order to keep their doctrinal beliefs concerning the year 1914 consistent with the words of jesus "this generation will not pass...".

  however, the watchtower's "overlapping" definition of the word generation is strange and unnatural to common use.

  according to the watchtower, a grandfather, son, and grandson all living at the same time would make up a single generation.

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  Hmmm can't quite agree re 'population'. That has a geographic area meaning only, not a time-based, inter-generational meaning. Rather, they've replaced 'generation' with something more like 'era' or 'age.' Either way, it's 100% non-scriptural.

  ERA ˈɪərə/ noun a long and distinct period of history.

  1. "his death marked the end of an era"

     synonyms:

     epoch, age, period, time, aeon, span; More

     • a system of chronology dating from a particular event. "the dawn of the Christian era"

       synonyms:

       epoch, age, period, time, aeon, span; More
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  Expect more Crazy as JW.ORG trims the fat and fills the coffers.

  by donuthole in

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  when rutherford assumed the presidency of the watchtower society he instituted series of sweeping changes to the teachings and practices of the bible students.

  some of these changes were at complete odds with what had been taught previously.

  a key example was the elevation of the watchtower society as "god's visible organization on earth".

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  Rebrand to call themselves JW.org? lol, can't see that. I think some are getting a bit carried away at the new internet focus.

  Nevertheless, I think it's very clear that the Society is very strategically focused right now. It is defensively manouevering financially and legally as quickly as possible to survive some big external threats on the horizon, mostly legal, and to survive some big doctrinal adjustments in the years ahead that may 'stumble' many.
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  International non-intervention in Syrian conflict and God's non-intervention

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  throwing this out there for discussion:.

  why do atheists curse god for not intervening in humankind's affairs to prevent or mitigate suffering and evil, yet the world stands by and basically lets syria get torn apart year by year with thousands of innocent adults and children dying, and millions having to flee their country, without the world intervening to end that terrible suffering?

  a whole generation of syrian children have been brutalised or traumatised by this never ending conflict.. the world, united states, russia, china, etc, say there is no moral right for any exernal nation to intervene in this internal syrian political conflict/war citing that it is right of each sovereign nation to self-determine it's own affairs.

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  I said England, etc. Does that exclude other United Kingdom countries? Sensitive Scotsman?

  What would it cost god to stop childhood cancers or crippling genetic desease or earthquakes and tsunamis?

  Where should God draw the line between letting humankind determine our own destiny and being a magic genie that just stops all suffering? Should he just act to prevent children suffering and dying, suffering caused by humans, or all suffering entirely whether natural or manmade?

  Here's a thought experiment: An alien race suddenly appears and makes contact with earth. They offer to cure all and every single ill, form of suffering, and evil globally and universally, no questions asked and at no price to pay the aliens? No crime or evil or form of suffering could ever be committed, it would be stopped instantly before it occurred.

  What humanity accept that? What sort of debate would occur? Where would humanity reasonably draw the line?
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  International non-intervention in Syrian conflict and God's non-intervention

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  throwing this out there for discussion:.

  why do atheists curse god for not intervening in humankind's affairs to prevent or mitigate suffering and evil, yet the world stands by and basically lets syria get torn apart year by year with thousands of innocent adults and children dying, and millions having to flee their country, without the world intervening to end that terrible suffering?

  a whole generation of syrian children have been brutalised or traumatised by this never ending conflict.. the world, united states, russia, china, etc, say there is no moral right for any exernal nation to intervene in this internal syrian political conflict/war citing that it is right of each sovereign nation to self-determine it's own affairs.

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  On the other hand, when a nation gets involved in a military conflict for humanitarian reasons, there is always unforseen consequences that can end up making things worse.

  The British RAF did get involved with bombing runs using Typhoons. It made a difference but without lots of boots on the ground and lots of dead soliders it was only temporary relief for a few.

  Isn't that just the equivalent of the standard Christian response for God's non-intervention, ie, that God in his almighty and far-sighted wisdom sees the "unforseen consequences" that would occur from intervening in humankind's affairs. In other words, some broader, bigger good is achieved through non-intervening?

  Why is that an excuse for the USA, England, et al, to avoid intervening and saving all those little children, babies, women etc who are getting killed and traumatised in Syria, but God is not permitted a similar excuse?
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  International non-intervention in Syrian conflict and God's non-intervention

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  throwing this out there for discussion:.

  why do atheists curse god for not intervening in humankind's affairs to prevent or mitigate suffering and evil, yet the world stands by and basically lets syria get torn apart year by year with thousands of innocent adults and children dying, and millions having to flee their country, without the world intervening to end that terrible suffering?

  a whole generation of syrian children have been brutalised or traumatised by this never ending conflict.. the world, united states, russia, china, etc, say there is no moral right for any exernal nation to intervene in this internal syrian political conflict/war citing that it is right of each sovereign nation to self-determine it's own affairs.

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  What is the difference?

  One difference would be that a deity is by definition omnipotent. It would be trivial for him/her to minimise suffering.

  But wouldn't that just mean might = right? If you're strong enough you should intervene? And in any event, that doesn't address the apparent reason for non-intervention by much more powerful nations to end the terrible suffering of millions of Syrians, ie, that nations (and by extension, humanity itself) should have the right of self-determination?

  Do you believe sovereign nations should have such a right? If so, then shouldn't planet earth as a whole have such a right?
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  International non-intervention in Syrian conflict and God's non-intervention

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  throwing this out there for discussion:.

  why do atheists curse god for not intervening in humankind's affairs to prevent or mitigate suffering and evil, yet the world stands by and basically lets syria get torn apart year by year with thousands of innocent adults and children dying, and millions having to flee their country, without the world intervening to end that terrible suffering?

  a whole generation of syrian children have been brutalised or traumatised by this never ending conflict.. the world, united states, russia, china, etc, say there is no moral right for any exernal nation to intervene in this internal syrian political conflict/war citing that it is right of each sovereign nation to self-determine it's own affairs.

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  Throwing this out there for discussion:

  Why do atheists curse God for not intervening in humankind's affairs to prevent or mitigate suffering and evil, yet the world stands by and basically lets Syria get torn apart year by year with thousands of innocent adults and children dying, and millions having to flee their country, without the world intervening to end that terrible suffering? A whole generation of Syrian children have been brutalised or traumatised by this never ending conflict.

  The world, United States, Russia, China, etc, say there is no moral right for any exernal nation to intervene in this internal Syrian political conflict/war citing that it is right of each sovereign nation to self-determine it's own affairs.

  How is this any different from the argument of a Christian that God has stepped back and is not intervening in humankind's affairs for basically the same reason, ie, the right of self-rule and self-determination of humankind without intervention from some external third party force?

  What is the difference?